They've been saying this since Adam was a cowboy.
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by bobld indaily text:"as for those who have retired from secular employment,what better way to use their time than in the pioneer ministry.
"also in the wt they encourage retirees to go where the"need is greater".. the gb/fds should set the example(follow jesus) and go where the "need is greater".iran,iraq,syria,afganistan.after all their expenses would be care for.those countries who would band their preaching,they could use their 2nd to none legal system at the echr.because of the gb/fds heavenly hope the govt death treats would be meaningless..
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Brett King (Jehovah's Witness) Releases Video of why he removed his ill son, Ashya, from a UK hospital
by jwleaks in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14etqn9zpwk .
jw leaks.
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So very sad and tragic. Desperate parents trying desperate measures for their little boy's life.
His Youtube plea is so heartfelt, and who is to say whether he may not be partially right. The UK medical authorities and the doctors in question will be scrambling embarrassingly over this if it turns out that there is real merit in Proton beam treatment but that the UK hospitals are just behind the times on this and draconian.
So ironic though that he says they did what they did because the hospital was, allegedly, threatening to bar them from the ward. He refers to the fear and stress of being under such a 'cruel' and unquestioning system, that they couldn't stay under it and had to get out to give their son the love he needed in his darkest hour of need. Most JW's cannot see the awful irony in this, in the parallels to the JW's merciless and cruel disfellowshipping and shunning policy of family who question and conscientiously dissent from certain teachings of JW's, that prevents children from being with parents and vice versa, etc.
I can't help but wonder if the distrust and lack of respect re blood transfusions that the Watchtower Society has cultivated in the minds of JW's has somehow rubbed off on these parents attitude in not trusting the UK medical authorities on the best treatment for their son.
And why havn't these parents used this as an opportunity to preach about the Bible's resurrection hope? Didn't Paul say in scripture that Christians do not grieve as the rest do because of the resurrection hope? Yet these JW parents are acting more desperately than any worldly parents usually would.
After all, if their boy needed an emergency life-saving blood transfusion to cure his brain tumour, wouldn't they refuse to consent to that in the belief they will see him again soon in the resurrection?
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Stephen Lett (Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses) Publicly Counsels Politicians During Convention Keynote Address In Africa
by jwleaks inzambia: fulfill promises ... jehovah's witnesses counsel politicianstimes of zambia.
august 23, 2014. by chatula kampo.
a top jehovah's witnesses' world leader has bemoaned politicians' failure to fulfill campaign promises.. stephen lett, who gave a keynote speech at the on-going convention held at levy mwanawasa stadium in ndola, said politicians needed to meet the aspirations of people who vote them into public offices.. meanwhile, conversion overseer john mashilipa has urged fellow witnesses to respect the government of the day, obedient and continue remaining non-partisan.. in the keynote address streamed live from solwezi district in the north-western province, mr lett, one of the seven members of the world governing body said electorates expected much from the people they vote for.. "there is need for politicians to fulfill their promises to their voters once they assumed power," he said.. he observed that most politicians failed to fulfill promises to their voters who had high expectations.. "politicians usually promise a moon and not deliver to their promises, this is disappointing to the voters who have high expectations," he said.. mr mashilipa said believers needed to seek god's kingdom which he said never fails, unlike human governance.. this year's conversion attracted a historic attendance of more than 40,000 people from across the five districts in the province namely; ndola, kitwe, luanshya, mufulira, kalushi and chambishi.. gathered under the theme 'keep seeking first god's kingdom', witnesses filled the stadium and those who could not find seats monitored proceedings from outside.
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Grossly hypocritical to be chiding politicians for not honouring voters expectations when your own religious followers are instructed not to vote. Disgusting hypocrisy.
What would the elders think of a local JW writing a letter to their local newspaper criticising local politicians for not honouring election promises?
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All the craziness of the blood doctrine.
by Crazyguy inwell it looks like the wt was slowly moving away from the blood ban going back to the 1990's but not sure of some things i have read concerning thier comments about blood moving through the placenta?.
that some protein fractions from the plasma do move naturally into the blood system of another individual (the fetus) may be another consideration when a christian is deciding whether he will accept immune globulin, albumin, or similar injections of plasma fractions.
one person may feel that he in good conscience can; another may conclude that he cannot.
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Does Vanderhoven ever post anything on this forum except to say 'marked'?
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ELDER LIES AND GET'S PRAISED FOR IT! FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST ME!
by BucketShopBill inwant to know how a lie can turn into a compliment?
only in the jw mindset!!!.
we got called into the dreaded back room after meeting to find two elders wanting to discuss a 'serious' matter with us.
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Why the feck do you keep going, subjecting yourself to this ridiculous nonsense of an abusive, nasty, cultish little mind control bully f*ck religion. Get the feck out of there. Grow some balls and just give them the Ozzy treatment...
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Fudging the Numbers: Is the WTBTS in decline?
by Coded Logic init's no secret that the wtbts has a cash flow problem.
over the past three years they have closed 20 of their 116 branches.
they have sold off most of their properties in and around ny (including some kingdom halls), drastically reduced the # of printed pages for the watchtower and awake magazines, reduced the printing of books and other materials, increased the number of single page tract campagnes, installed cc machines at their assembly halls, and are now seizing of controll of property assets from local kingdom halls using renovation projects.
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The branch closings are hard proof that they are in official decline and retrenching.
They are dead in the water in Europe and most of the developed world, beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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Members of the writing department has resigned
by hardtobeme inthis is what i found at anointedjw.org.
i don't know if it's true.
on august 25, 2014, we received the following comment and inquiry: .
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Probably what happened is two or three very old brothers on the Writing Department recently retired. The writers of that website took that and made up a lot of speculative claims about why they quit to suit their own agenda.
Hope I'm wrong though.
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Debunking the Bible
by Coded Logic inthere seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.
anyone know any simple arguements for this?
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Objectivetruth, you're confusing natural events with miracles. In what way is a conversation between you and me or teaching an ape words a miracle involving suspension of the natural laws of physics? The birth of a baby is not a miracle because it is common. All living things reproduce. This is always what Christians come back with as a defense, and it's silly.
We don't see dead coming back to life today, we don't see talking snakes, we don't see entire seas parted, nor people dropping dead at their priests feet because they told a fib about how much they donated (Ananias & Sapphira).
You are confusing hearsay with first-hand eyewitness testimony.
Where are all these numerous witness accounts of these ancient Bible miracles? None of the gospels are proven to have been written by any eyewitnesses, and they were all written decades after the events, of which we only have copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies and so on.
Luke said he wasn't an eyewitness. He only reported what others claimed to have seen and heard. Luke collected and put into writing a bunch of oral stories and traditions, drawing on Mark. Matthew and Luke are redactions and embellishments of Mark, which was the original gospel. The gospels are not first-hand eyewitness testimony, they are little stories collected from the oral tradition period and put together in a sort of biography with a theological agenda. Paul never even met or saw Jesus.
The Scottish Theologian Campbell is probably right when it comes to numerous first-hand eyewitness testimonies that can be recorded about a recent event, eg, holocaust survivors, although there is researc that disputes even that. But the ancient books of the old testament and gospels aren't in that category. They are not first-hand multiple eyewitness accounts. A single statement by Luke that upwards of 500 people saw the resurrected Jesus doesn't prove anything.
And if Campbell is correct, then UFO and alien visitations must be true beyond a doubt, since thousands of persons claim to have seen and experienced these firsthand. Do you believe in UFO's and alien visitations?
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This is an organization that has an apocalyptic end-of-days strategic vision that will eventually have to be defeated."
by kneehighmiah inthis is an organization that has an apocalyptic end-of-days strategic vision that will eventually have to be defeated, general martin e. dempsey, u.s. chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, said on thursday.. .
he sounds like he's talking about jws.
but he's actually referring to isis.
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It shows how little the human race has advanced from the time of the inquisition that organisations like ISIS exist and are thriving.
Killing and massacring on account of some poppycock written 1,400 years ago by an ignorant, unscientific, desert-dwelling hermit who had mystical visions sitting in a cave.
Human beings really are quite stupid.
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Debunking the Bible
by Coded Logic inthere seems to be an endless number of ways to show the bible is not devinely inspired but all of it seems so complicated.
anyone know any simple arguements for this?
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The simplest argument is to accept how silly and irrational it is to believe in all those Bible stories of miracles in the ancient past.
Look at the evidence of your own eyes and senses and of the real world around you. Notice that there are absolutely no miracles occurring today such as the Bible describes (same with resurrections of the dead, etc), nor has there been for millennia.
Ever notice how these miracles seem to only happen in the ancient past or are foretold to occur in the distant future, but they never happen now?
Now take on board the great British Philosopher David Hume's argument against belief in miracles:
- People are very prone to accept the unusual and incredible, which excite agreeable passions of surprise and wonder.
- Those with strong religious beliefs are often prepared to give evidence that they know is false, "with the best intentions in the world, for the sake of promoting so holy a cause". [7]
- People are often too credulous when faced with such witnesses, whose apparent honesty and eloquence (together with the psychological effects of the marvellous described earlier) may overcome normal scepticism.
- Miracle stories tend to have their origins in "ignorant and barbarous nations" [8] — either elsewhere in the world or in a civilised nation's past. The history of every culture displays a pattern of development from a wealth of supernatural events – "[p]rodigies, omens, oracles, judgements" [6] – which steadily decreases over time, as the culture grows in knowledge and understanding of the world.